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Sunday, February 17th, 2002

Carmen Salamanca: in your first book "Little story", the word street and the word girl appear in almost every poem. You have already talked about the influence of the neighbourhood at that time, but what else can you tell us?

Miguel Oscar Menassa: By the way you're asking me about these things it's as if you'd like to know about my adolescent sexual anecdotes.

CS: Well, that, too.

MOM: What do you mean, too? You're asking me those things, now you want to blame me about wanting to talk about sex precisely to you, the person I need working there.

CS: It's to the Indio Gris' readers, to whom you have to talk about that.

MOM: What had you asked me about?

CS: About some sexual anecdote of your youth, 1961, "Little story".

MOM: In 1961… sexual in 1961… there wasn't any sexuality at that time, or was there? What century are you talking about? When I published "Little story" I was 21, I was attending (as they said in my neighbourhood) the military service and as at that time I used to have a bit of bad luck, I had to do it with the Navy which meant attending for two years. To take advantage of time, I used to wear the sailor outfit to go to the university, to the students' bar, it was in Cordoba street. I was totally successful with women in my sailor outfit. Did you see how fancy day dreamer's the girls were? They imagined themselves travelling with me in a cruise and I lied to them in some way, each time I saw them I said to them: "Tomorrow, I leave", for them to be more enthusiastic. A complete success, I didn't have to do anything, look now, what you're making me do to…

CS: At that time the outfit was enough.

MOM: Yes, with my way of standing and my sailor outfit.

CS: I notice that you are not very fluent today.

MOM: It is because I felt that you were questioning me as an ordinary journalist. I felt that you thought that the Indio Gris readers need a certain share of sensationalism. I think you are right anyway, I don't know people much. As I spend my day writing…

Those girls were fantastic because they loved me even if they didn't know that I was a writer. Now, for example, when a woman locks her eyes in mine, I feel that she is reading some pages of some of my books, she is never looking in my eyes, so that love becomes much more complicated. She doubts that the only thing I want from her is that she may comfort me and I doubt that she may understand whom she is comforting, so this way we lose a lot of time.

What I recall from that time is that I had many women friends, that I recall perfectly, that is to say, I was capable of sustaining a relationship with a woman, without any need of going to bed with her, but it is true that that was compensated by going to bed with other women, I don't know if this is the way to express it. But I could , I could sustain a friendship with a woman without there being anything between us. Well, that being the sexual relationship, were are not going to be so rude either. And since I was a kid I always supported them. As with the girls I was to  blame,  because I hadn't wanted to be at their school, I had escaped from the girls school, I was always half mad about it.

I may be economical with words but you are asleep today, you don't react, you reacted in the previews interviews.

CS: Yes, but you must know that when there are two there are three and the third one is the definite one and so everything is more difficult. I thought that when you say: "I could sustain friendships with women" it is as if you were saying that it is something that men in general resent to do.

MOM: In general, friendship between a man and a woman is very difficult.

CS: Why?

MOM: Because both men and women are jealous even with friends. The man friend allows his woman friend to have boyfriends and lovers apart from him, but if he approves of them. Do you understand what I'm telling you? And the same thing happens with girls, if you have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the girl you chose, you are fucked, she doesn't allow you to have this relation, she spoils it someway. That is to say, we are very primitive, somebody gives us a kiss and instead of thanking them, we think that they belong to us. The little girl kisses me and, half an hour later she kisses someone else and I punch her in the face. We are very primitive. When in reality I should thank the lady and the lady should thank me for taking advantage of that being alone or surrounded by people but there alone…

We have strange criteria. There are married women who permanently, everyday, perform jealousy episodes for their lovers as if that were only permitted for her, a question with the law, as if there could be a law only for her. It is  something that many women expect, I don't say all of them, and some men, too, to have a law but only for them, of course, it is very complex.

CS: That with women. And what about men there at the military service, with your superiors? You haven't told us any anecdote about when you were with the Navy. Have you realised in what a subtle way I have stopped the reflection?

MOM: Yes, about women. You didn't want, you didn't want to continue. I was a supporter of independence , we could say, as if woman were a territory, I always wanted to liberate that territory. I haven't got an anecdote but a historical event, but I don't know if I should tell it because it causes me a bit of shame.

For example, it is said that I exiled myself because of the Argentine military dictatorship, that is what is said, or not? Or what is said about me? Yes, that is what is said. Well, in reality I exiled myself because of psychoanalysis. It was Psychoanalysis that was in need of psychoanalysts in Spain, not me or the Spaniards. The Spaniards, because of their way of resisting, , were not interested in having psychoanalysis and I loved my mother. But psychoanalysis doesn't give a damn for those things, for its development it needs psychoanalysts. Mimí Langer was in Nicaragua, in Mexico there was no psychoanalysis, and in Spain it was fundamental that psychoanalysis would appear because it was another language which was won for psychoanalysis, 350 million of speakers. That is the reason why I exiled myself, but I also exiled myself because when I wanted that women were accepted in Cero group, the other members opposed that, they opposed in a rotund way, the movement was already very big, in reality there were more women than men. I say this because in the first meeting of the Group that took place in Madrid, there was me and the rest were all women. I think that this proportion goes on existing nowadays. 

CS: Why do you think it's like that?

MOM: Well, not only in the group, in this discipline and also in poetry. I see there the true subjugation of woman, because when there were more men poets, to put it someway, their position in culture was correct, but currently it isn't so. In psychoanalysis, clearly, and in poetry, too, is what I say clear enough? Besides woman is clearly with another intention in poetry, because she wants to make her revolution, man is supposed to have done it, man made two revolutions and failed in both. The Christian revolution failed, the capitalistic idea of comfort failed, which were carried out by the Scandinavian countries, Sweden, Holland. Marxism failed, as it was well shown by Russia and Cuba, too. And the capitalistic idea of comfort failed because there no more comfort for those who have money in excess. Well, and after the "innocent" bombing of the Twin Towers in the USA, evidently nobody lives comfortably in the world they have built, no one lives comfortably. What can we do about it!

 That is why the idea of the group took such strength in the last century, but at the end of the century it gets stronger because thinking is possible, it's easier to revolutionize  a group. It isn't that it's easier, the only way to revolutionize something is to revolutionize a group, there is no other way, that is a group, some individuals. The only way to solve the problems of distribution is grupal.

 CS: Of distribution? It is the problem of capitalism.   

 MOM: It's the problem of current capitalism, if it would solve that we would have capitalism for another eighty thousand years. Between what is rotting and what is not being possessed by the ones who possess nothing, there would be a perfect equilibrium that capitalism can't tolerate, so therefore it doesn't do it. Because in high levels, though you may think that it is a question of money, it is never a question of money, nor even the Argentine crisis is a question of money. Did you see that there is a lack of money?, but it is a political crisis. It is very difficult, in these times, for an industrialized country to have an economic crisis. It isn't that there is lack of merchandise but it is distribution what is failing and the failure in the distribution is political, always, in all cases. Because it isn't a question of some people having more and others having less, it is a question that for a few to have more, half of the planet is left with nothing. I know, if I work with her and I'm stronger than her, I lay out more bricks than her, what can be done, they are going to pay me more than you. Though I already explained to you the other day the Che Guevara's idea when, being minister of industry he was compelled to accept the norms of incentives at work because Russia had entered the same work style. Russia was already capitalist at that time, and that was what the Che Guevara said, that it was a very capitalistic measure that couldn't be proposed in Cuba. So, as Fidel Castro was so close to Russia because they sent him food and they sent him money, he didn't say no, he couldn't say no. Che Guevara then, thought and thought and thought and said: "all right, work incentives, but they will be paid with useless things". He who lives in the mountain is given a car that he can't use, so he has it in the garden, useless gifts, gifts that wouldn't be considered as money, it was a demonstration, you had worked harder and so you had a demonstration in your garden.

 CS: As if the value of use would change.

 MOM: It is falsely more revolutionary. On one hand he was revolutionary because he said to Fidel Castro that without Cuba's industrialization there wouldn't be a revolution and Castro thought that the work of industrialization was going to obstruct the revolutionary processes, that it was easier to nourish from Russia, that at that moment was more powerful and it nourished, it really nourished. After that discussion is when Che Guevara set out for Angola, he left the Ministry of Industry with a complete failure, because he wasn't allowed to do what he wanted, that was to industrialize the whole country, for people to stop being peasants and become proletarian. And at this point God knows if Mao Tse Tung wasn't right when he said that after the bourgeoisie-proletariat contradiction, a new contradiction would be generated which was the rural proletariat-urban proletariat, who knows, this may have had weight in the Cuban failure.

 Audience: But, can there be capitalism without lack of equilibrium? Can there be total distribution? Isn't that lack of equilibrium necessary?

 MOM: You are a capitalist as I am, that's why you start your phrase saying: "could there be capitalism without inequality" I didn't say that, I said that there could be capitalism without half of the world starving, I didn't say without inequality, it was you who heard without inequality. If you are the owner of a factory, owner of a company, owner of the world, you feel that I want to make you equal to the beggar to whom you give coins in the morning, I didn't want to do that. What I said was that there could be a capitalism without half of the world dying by starvation, starvation and disease, that's what I say.

 You, in asking me,  compel me to answer you, you make me withdraw of everything I said when in reality I hadn't said that.

 Audience: Equality is the illusion of capitalism that in wanting to equalise  forgets that its problem is distribution, not to distribute equally for everyone, that it may reach everyone, not equal in its approach.

 MOM: Can I explain to you a burning question? The American companies exploit the Argentine proletariat and their profits are lower than the ones of Spanish companies. The telephone fares are more expensive in Buenos Aires than in Spain. Repsol extracted the petroleum without paying the exportation tax, well, that doesn't happen in an American company. In spite of what you think, American capitalism is less brutal than Spanish capitalism.

 There are social policies which are implemented by some countries, that aren't enough for the whole population, but, of course, if before 50% of it died, now 20% dies, there is a sanitary and educational policy without affecting capitalism at all. To use psychoanalysis for professors no to be sons-of-bitches and to be truly professors is not to attempt against capitalism, all the contrary, it is a science that surged in capitalism as a quasi-medical science, because a psychoanalyst, in order to separate psychoanalysis from medicine, has to make an effort.

 And however, that would increase production, and the worker would work better. It is worth to fight, the fact that there is capitalism for a thousand years doesn't mean that we can't fight for a better life. All the contrary, the way of fighting has changed, the way of thinking the fight has changed, because communism, implemented as it was implemented as a capitalism of state, didn't work. Marxism, as Marx posed it, we don't know  it, we know Marxism as interpreted by the communist parties that when they implemented it, they do so as a capitalism of state.

 All doctors live as they live and all doctors live hastily because they pay them very little, but when you go to a hospital (I went to a hospital one or two times), you realise that all doctors are in the same situation, all doctors are paid the same salary, all of them are exploited this way, but there are doctors who are committed to Medicine, not to the salary. There are doctors who are committed to their salaries, well, it is better for you not to be attended by one of those because he kills you, he kills you for any cause. It isn't that the doctor doesn't know about the medication, the medication can be given wrongly even bureaucratically, he diagnoses the illness well and when he prescribes, he has an inveiglement and prescribes something else.

 It is easy to realise that there is a problem with distribution, because there is food that rots, there are installations which are crumbling down, which aren't used, because there are some countries that have no machinery and other countries that can't use them. And then we have the production, Spain produces a hundred kilos of potatoes, that really are like eighty thousand, a million kilos, a crass stupidity. Then, as the pact we have with the European Union is that we have to produce only half of it, we throw away thousands and thousands of kilos of potatoes. Can't you see that we have a problem in distribution? When there are people that with one more potato could survive one or two days more.

 CS: I was surprised to learn that there had been an excellent oil harvest this year, they are producing more than what is permitted by the EEC and they are going to pay the fine because it compensates them, they are not going to throw it away this time, it compensates them, it is cheaper this way.

 MOM: Well, but that is a manoeuvre… I say every time that they had to throw it away because they didn't distribute it, they didn't want to distribute it.

 CS: I was thinking how this issue of production is related to writing. Have the laws of capitalist production something to do with writing, as a product, as a commercial object?

 MOM: Well, Marx also asked himself this question, it isn't a stupid question, because you are about to say that it was a stupid question.

 Writing, it is very interesting what you're asking me, it's far beyond the means of production. Marx asks himself about this and he has to answer himself, he has to answer at the foot of a page in The Capital , where he writes very clearly, that the theory of value is not useful for art nor for love. That's why I always say that Freud solved the things of love very well and that Cero Group will have to solve the things of art and I don't know if they are doing it very well. They were serious researchers, because that is to posses seriousness  as a researcher: I discover something, I realise what it is about and besides I limit its field. How can a way of production be useful to be able to think of a statue which was made in the year 1500 BC and that I still like? You see that I can't? In such simple way Marx answered himself. That, sometimes, because of the things that are said about authors, it seems that authors didn't read about anything, as if I were saying this from my belly or my heart, when in reality they are books, it is in the books.

 Sex also is far beyond the ways of production, that's why Menassa, in his work about daily life and psychoanalysis, asks himself if psychoanalysis is a new science of the individual or it is a startling cut in a theory of the subject that, if born, was born with Marxism, while Marx poses the social subject, but Freud was going to demonstrate in Psychology of the masses and analysis of the ego, that there is no difference between what is social and what is psychic, that the psychic subject is a social subject and if it isn't, it isn't psychic.

 I learnt about everything, I met hypochondriac revolutionaries, something that is absolutely impossible, to be a revolutionary if you are a hypochondriac, because the psychosomatic sick person can't think of the future. How can I make the revolution if I can't think about the next week, when I have to think of twenty or thirty years? There was no revolution this century, and so as there was no revolution this century, to maintain illness,  the university professor goes on prohibiting psychoanalysis not to lose his position, to be able to maintain his position the journalist removes his girlfriend from analysis. The question that you should make me now would be:

 Does psychoanalysis then move people from their positions? I have to respond affirmatively, that is the reason why the affirmative desire of the patient is needed, if not, psychoanalysis can't be done. When a person got sick with tuberculosis and didn't want to take the medicines (it was done in London), the police went to fetch the sick person to their house and applied the medicines to them and the patients got cured, in spite of taking the medicine against their will, they cured the sickness. On the other hand, I can't apply psychoanalysis by force, it's rather you who has to make me work as a psychoanalyst by force. Why do I tell you this? Because if you don't pay me, I can't work as a psychoanalyst by force. Paying me you silence me, you silence my psychic subject for me  to be a psychoanalyst, if you don't pay my psychic subject speaks, my history speaks, my prejudices speak, my currents of opinion speak. When you pay me you  submit me, you force me to work as a psychoanalyst, what can't be done is to force the patient to be a patient.

 Capitalism allows you to be as independent as you want to if you are capable of subsidizing yourself. I, sometimes, say that they are as religious as the Muslims, the Muslims permit you to have many women if you can support them. It is the same with capitalism, it allows you to have all the vices you want if you can pay for them; when you can't pay for a sole vice, the question starts, they check your taxes, they check your private life, you end up in jail. It is a system so closed in itself that the lives of the individuals  can't be devoped within the system, the lives of the individuals are not prepared for capitalism. Capitalism doesn't think of man's leisure, it thinks of the proletariat's leisure. 

 CS: Of the worker, of course.

 MOM: They think that leisure has to have a limit because the worker has to go back to work on Monday, it isn't a leisure time in which you don't work for 10 days and after you work intensely for 25, it isn't this way, it is  a type of leisure that must have a duration. It is a very reduced leisure, it is to go back to work, weekend drunkards, weekend drug addicts, weekend dancers, weekend sailors, weekend hunters…

 CS: They permit it if you return to work, if not, they ask you what you do on weekends. I was thinking about that issue of writing and Marxism that poses the question that you have to consider yourself raw material in order to write. And if "the raw material is the subject's own life", if the blank page is the subject's own life, all the better, but raw material in the sense that it has to be transformed to be produced.

 MOM: But it is more than that, in the sense that it is said for the poet not think of writing about his life. Or is it thought, when he writes about his life, that he is writing about his life? Because there lies the matter, the matter is that his life is raw material, in what sense? In the sense that when you bring your life into your writing, the narration of your life, is already the narration, it is no longer your life, it is the narration, it isn't the dream. Life brought to the paper has to suffer the effects caused by the writing over the narration, so then it isn't your life any longer, it is the writing.

 Audience: So, each ego must be studied  to know what it corresponds to, not to think that it belongs to the writer.

 CS: Yesterday we were talking about the short story and the novel, about this Goethe says: Short story: what poses for us impossible events as possible under possible or impossible conditions. Novel: what poses for us possible events as real under impossible or almost impossible conditions. It is as if Goethe would take, in aphorisms, certain ideas to the limit.

 MOM: There is truth in what you say, in the sense that before the sciences, poetry was the one which named things that later science would prove true, which is not precisely the poet in himself, but it is the poet surrendered to poetry. Poetry is accustomed to name for man what man hasn't discovered yet, he hasn't still invented.

 Audience: it is within the theory, Goethe supports the thought that Cero Group has about production and creation.

 CS: Well, we had begun in the military service, then we had deviated to Marxism, we are half way with writing…

 MOM: Do you know why an interruption occurred in the story and I couldn't go on? because then, at that age I got married and I went to Italy, I left everything behind and I went to start a new life in Italy.

 CS: Was the story interrupted because that was also an interruption?

 MOM: It can be seen that way.

 CS: Why is that about Italy an interruption?

 MOM: Because I didn't stay. If I don't tell the story exactly, anyone could say, "look at Menassa, how he liked to travel when he was young, writing took him from one place to the other". But I had exiled myself at that time, that's why it didn't seem strange to me afterwards when I was exiled again.

 CS: Had you exiled yourself?

 MOM: Yes, because I thought about I taly as a place to live, what happened is that it didn't work.

 CS: Why Italy?

 MOM: Because at that time I liked Italian poets more than other kinds of poets. I was very much in love with Cesare Pavese, the cause why he had committed suicide, before that he writes about the causes that led him to commit suicide. But I trusted in my psychoanalysis and in you.

 CS: What?

 MOM: You did react. Man is like that, he only reacts when his mother calls him, the rest of the time…

 CS: Goethe says: "Man only listens to what he understands", and what is it that man understands?

 MOM: What he understands is the kiss his mother gives him, mummy kissed me and then one understands something.

 CS: Well, so you thought about me and you didn't stay in Italy because of that.

 MOM: Yes, because it would had been difficult to find you.

 CS: Yes, well, you never know. How was it, I think you were in the communist party in Italy?

 MOM: I had my meals at the students hostel in Milán because it was cheap, it was a glorious epoch because I demonstrated that you can live without money, but for a short time, it was a lie that I was going around with no money because I worked. The Italians, partly, gamble more than the Spaniards, so you can imagine, at least at that time, it was the last century, then I lived… Do you know that I'm a bit ashamed of these things? I still haven't finished my psychoanalysis, great, so I can go on. I imagine that the psychoanalysis schools arrive to an end when the director says "I have already been analysed", when the guy stops believing in the unconscious, he wants to stop paying because he's the director because he says: "if I am the director, why should I pay? And then the school is dissolved because they are left without psychoanalysis, without psychoanalyst.

 I lived, I have to say it this way because it was like this…

 CS: What you have said hasn't been recorded, Do you want to repeat it or shall we obviate it?

 MOM: I don't know if we obviate it, you aren't going to make me tell the things forty times and besides I told you the other day at the interview that you are a voyeur but not completely. You have to be a voyeur of everything, you have to like to investigate everything, anything.

CS: All right, I am also analysing my partial voyeurism. Well, go on with whatever you like, let's see whatever you want, that I cam see everything.

MOM: Very well. They were great times, there was where I met Musatti, who was the President of the Italian Psychoanalytical Society and it was a laugh, he was translating Freud in '61, instead the first edition in Spanish was published in '48. And groups, he was afraid of forming groups because people became mad, said Musatti. Afterwards he became famous, he wrote books. To become famous is easy.

CS: Mussatti, you earned a living by playing billiards…

 MOM: And afterwards I met the 64 group, who were Umberto Eco, Ferrara, Sanguinetti. Sanguinetti is an interesting guy whom they made disappear. Eco was the weakest in his thought, capitalism does these things, Sanguinetti was strong and you don't know Sanguinetti, yes, you know Eco. It's like this, they did the same with Neruda, Neruda is known by everybody but Germán Pardo García is known by no one and he is superior four or five times, not one. that's the reason why Cero Group has created its own media of communication  and delivers 250,000 magazines every month. You, what happens is that you criticise the system and you don't realise that the critic conveys your envy for not being able to use that instrument. 

 Can't you see that last Saturday we had a strong argument about that? We granted three awards, the two previous awards to a lot of people that had nothing to do with us, the third one we left vacant in order that our people would present their works, so that next year there are two persons who are qualified to present themselves by ministerial order: Carmen Salamanca and Alejandra Menassa.  Of course, because they would win the competition, they are of the writers the ones who write best in the world, not in Madrid. It was prohibited for them because as they read, as they helped me in reading the books, it was prohibited for them, now, as they don't read books any longer, they can participate, and then as a consequence of this last Saturday we had a discussion because we always grant the awards to our people, people might think that we organise the competition for the people of the group. Why is that bad? It is the same thing capitalism does to govern us.

CS: It is what Prisa does.

MOM: The other day I almost sent a letter of congratulation to Polanco. Do you remember that I sent him a letter insulting him? But the other day I liked what he said: "The government doesn't realise how important Prisa group is for the culture and for the people of Spain". So much so, that it seemed he was proposing himself as candidate.

CS: Prisa, El País group, Tele 5, Digital Satellite Channel, and several radios.

MOM: It is a very powerful group.

CS: And an editorial group. Now they have entered Internet with the University and they drew a contract.

MOM: They have a journalism school. They respect Cero group very much. For example, referring to poetry they have doubts because they have many poets kept in sarcophagus, who have to be brought to light. Besides, they are pretentious because they don't do it with everybody.

One has to be dependent, that I understand. That's how things are, or I depend on Prisa or I depend on Cero Group, well I like to depend on Cero Group. That's why I shit on Prisa, I told them that I was a singer with no owner when they were ready to buy me, don't think that I told them I was a singer with no owner and they wouldn't want to buy me, of course, because you are capable of having no owner and then it happens that nobody wants to buy you.

And then, for example, Cero Group's discourse is an interesting discourse, a discourse which offers alternatives, no other discourse has alternatives, look at globalisation. The ones who are against it oppose the honest globalisation, or something like that, there is no thought. Cero Group has thoughts, puts forward ideologies of life, it recommends a more amiable sexuality in the sense that it extends sexuality, it brings it out of your body, it puts it in the world and in the world is your body. On the other hand, if you are the whole time in your body, you lose the world as your family. To take care of your family you have to surrender yourself to the world and in the world, your family is placed, instead if you surrender to your family, you remain without world, because the world isn't in the family. Cero Group thinks of very interesting things but of course, for the time being it only thinks of them and some daring members try to apply some of their knowledge to life.

For example, everybody works, the only difference with the Group is that it says to you that working you may acquire, gathering with others, the power of the powerful, it isn't that if you go to the engineering school or the Porto Alegre school you won't have to work, and on top of it you will have to work more because they don't permit the things that Cero Group permits, because it loves psychoanalysis. If not, how can you explain it to yourself?

With the theory that if you write strange things you are strange, we would all be in jail, we aren't in jail because we don't have that theory. Prisoners of ourselves, it's understood, who is going to put us in jail if we pay our taxes?

CS: And do you want to add something else or shall we finish for the time being?

MOM: If you want to ask something specific…

 CS: I have already asked you, if you want to add something else.

 MOM: Don't be a jerk, that isn't a question.

 CS: What do you mean, if you have even answered me!

 MOM: That you will have to prepare your interviews better, and if you can't, speak to your friends that they will recommend you something, you have to bring your questions in writing. 

 CS: Yes, I have theories and plans referring to that.

 MOM: And what happened to you, you don't want to show your plans?

 CS: The next day.

The art of living,
must also impose itself,
to the revolutionary processes?

Are a cause, an ideal, still possible
for man?

And what does solitude have to do with,
sex, money or history?


I wait tranquilly, that the accumulation of repressed tensions during the years, will kill me. Before that, I will try to spread those tensions everywhere. I have learnt several ways of delivering energy around the world.

In due time someone will say it clearly and even the stupid will realise of what it is all about: when I see you go past indifferent to love, I also like that. Nothing is alien to my thought, you dove. I am the thought of the language, everything fits in me though no one can verify it but in madness. 

I like this life that runs me over. And I say it for you to know, I will reach what will be called my old age, young and with money. That is how it is, now I hope to write some poem.


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To govern shouldn't be based in no other thing but in the construction of a knowledge.


A change in policy doesn't exactly mean, a change in ideology.

 They are all shouting except me. I'm a bit strange, there is no doubt about it. With time, if I persist, I will be king of something. No one easily forgets a man who has lived his life dedicated to others.

 Reaching a certain level of knowledge, interlocution is good for nothing. What is left for us to know will be our only interlocution.

 Afterwards the times of conversations will come once more with those who were capable of arriving here.

 A blank page and a desire sometimes can do more than a thousand people all together.

 Going deeply in the road of my own death I will accomplish rejuvenation. He who doesn't understand, will die as a dog or a pig, according to his own animal morality.



Tears of exile

75 pages
18.30 Euros, 3,000 Pts.

It contains thirteen illustrations of some of the best paintings of Miguel Oscar Menassa.

"Exercise in time key "
Oil paintings
Stella Cino Núñez
March 8 through 17, 2002, 7 PM

Opening: Friday, March 8, 7 PM

Closing: Sunday, March 17, 2 PM

HALL: Manolo Revilla
Mutual complutense                                  
10th  NUEVA St. . Alcalá de Henares  

Monday through Saturday:  7 to 9 PM
Sunday: 12 through 2 PM


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