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DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK BUT WE DO IT IN SEVERAL LANGUAGES
GRIS, IS A PRODUCT
INDIO GRIS Nº 120
WITH THE POET MIGUEL OSCAR MENASSA
Oscar Menassa: Since
I was a child I was always considered a foreigner, always, which is not bad,
because at any place a foreigner arrives, also in the vital quotidian
situations, people won't ask him anything because they know he is migratory
bird. It isn't bad to be an exile, I don't like to tell stories but, if I am an
exile, I should have some history, and that gives you an air of mystery.
"God knows what this man did in his youth that he had to exile
himself". If you'd like to know, I confess to you: a lot of jerking off and
a lot of reading. And yes, because I got exited with the well written poems. You
saw that now I don't cry; I don't cry when they say, "seven hundred were
killed", no, I cry because of the way this man says, "Play the bagpipe
Domingo Ferreiro…/ I don't want to, I don't want to. / because the bagpipe
doen't want me to play. / because Domingo Ferreiro had died". That
inversion, because throughout the poem it makes him alive… Well, I used to
have an erection, I was young, now I cry, because of that question of wisdom.
Salamanca: And, what do you think of the result? I mean, the making of this
Well I think it is something exceptional, do you know why? Because I didn't have
to deviate from psychoanalysis. Psychoanalysis is a discovery, an invention.
Look at Marx, who was a guy preoccupied about these things, it was something he
was asking for, the universe of science was asking for it, that there would be a
comprehension of the creative processes of man, the processes of love. It was
necessary. Psychoanalysis poses that comprehension, I don't know why it was so
badly received, I can't understand it very well. It is really a science, because
you must know that a science is that which, besides from being theoretically
demonstrated that it is a science and also because
epistemology demonstrates that it is produced as a science, if it doesn't
find its place in society and if it doesn't pull up a bandage, a blindness, if
it doesn't solve man's blindness, it isn't a science.
at what we manage as a science, being quite uncultured in that sense. Before
psychoanalysis, man was blind to his feelings, he loved but didn't know he
loved, he hated and didn't know why he hated, he gave excuses to himself,
"I hate you because you are grand, I love you because you are pretty",
but they were excuses, man didn't know. And psychoanalysis comes to place an
aperture there, pulls up a blindness. It isn't that man wants to know why he
loves, but yes, if he would like to know, he would be able to.
you only listen it is a conference, not an interview. You are entertained, you
are painting, too.
No, I was already decided when I came and so far you have made three rebukes to
me about the matter.
Which rebukes have I made to you, now?
To ask you correctly…
But that was something sexual of mine about your youth.
You think that words are innocuous, words cause their effect.
Yes, but they could have caused effect a little lower…
I don't know if that can be controlled, can you control where words cause effect
No, but I say…
Well, you haven't answer me what you think about the School.
I think that it is the only Psychoanalysis School of the world, but that can't
With far so many schools as there are! They are going to think that I'm a bit of
a braggart. But it is the best, it is the best. It is where you can acquire the
best formation. Besides, you enter the Psychoanalysis School and, in the end
they allow you to be a psychoanalyst, but first you have to be many things such
as writer, man, woman, father, you have to know about Marx, Freud, Lacan, this
one and that one… Apart from all this, you cannot use the power you acquire
with words against anybody and besides, you have to acquire an education, you
have to break all the photographs, because you cannot resemble the photographs.
Afterwards you have to forget what your psychoanalyst tells you because you
can't say that to anybody, because it was meant for you. It is the best because
in other schools they don't do these things. I don't know what they do in other
schools, not even if what they do in other schools is good to earn money, don't
think that they earn more money than we do. Money is earned when one employs the
right instruments, the precise material, the precise raw material and effective
workers. Do you understand what I say? They think that they can sell the
merchandise even when it isn't equivalent. No, if the merchandise isn't
equivalent to another merchandise, it can't be sold.
very happy because my last book "South of Europe" is going to be
launched, where for me, the South of Europe is clearly Spain. Spain,
sometimes, moves me, because it has a certain ingenuity regarding Europe. You
should consider that when we say Europe, we are saying United Kingdom, Germany,
which were the inventors of war, the inventors of private property.
We are like the new rich.
Spain is a little girl, we shall learn in due time.
AM AN ISOLATED BEING, SUSPENDED.
am an isolated being, suspended between punctuation marks.
am a being in love with the piece of bread I take to my mouth.
am my Tristan, Isolde, the living being of the other, old solitude.
They shouted to me, work, they shouted to me, and freedom!
your egotism breaks my heart and, however, I go on ambitioning this wonderful,
to my understanding, conversation with you, although for that to be possible, I
have to reach the edge of solitude.
I want to tell you that I feel you more obliged than passionate. As if our
conversation were a necessary step, obligatory for your life and not a terrible,
spite of having cried out with all your strength for a situation similar to the
one we are building up, now it seems as if you can't stand well the
crystallisation of your own desires.
destiny, before you knew me, was sealed. One day, after many attempts, you would
be able to fall in love with a man and that same man, really in love with you,
would kill you.
order for you to be able to fly, darling, the universe will remain without
When the doctor opened the door of his office, I fell into his arms. He
kissed my cheek with energy and told me:.
To be late isn't due only to the coquetry of making me wait, but also due
to the illusion of not finding me.
serene she said to me:
I felt hatred and I dug my hands in his neck, later I fell on my knees
because of the blow he delivered in my stomach and I loved his legs desperately.
He stroked my hair and I felt an uncontrollable impulse of kissing his genitals.
Gloria, my little Gloria.
I come to you desperate, doctor, I want to leave my treatment, I'm
already a woman of social success and although it is true I didn't have any
orgasm, life is nice and, some nights, although you still don't believe me, when
I kissed passionately some man's ass, I am able to feel a sensation in my sex.
We'll continue the next time.
deep heat accompanied me throughout the house, a driven constancy that takes me
from the bed to the bathroom, without any other motive but distracting my legs
in a continuous swing.
while he touched his balls, murmured incomprehensible words.
Not to understand him well, precisely turned me on. When he talked, I could feel his warm tongue all over my body, going up from my astonished thighs, going through my pussy, the pearl, the sea, producing a vortex in my enamoured womb, my tits, my love, and all the madness taken up to my eyes when he kissed me.
intentions are not enough, unless they ride on arrogance and power.
obstacles that appear in every road cannot be counted as defeats.
to now my engine has been running, it's time to put on the gears.
life is started, nothing can stop it.
we accompany this section with some advice from the Director of El País
Government and the Public Prosecution Office ask the Supreme to make Batasuna
And if this were not enough to think that God is the only responsible ( because
being used as a noun instead of an adjective), Cardenal
is the one who asks that Euskadi be liberated from the "nazis"…
have to thank the delicacy of the journalist because of the use of inverted
commas which make the issue less nazi or at least, it is another one who said
endorses the United States of America and announces the presentation of proofs of
how the United Kingdom always followed the
United States, we don't know if by ancestral submission because of what the
English did to the Americans about a thousand years ago, or they follow them
because they intend to break their ass.
a year later: The attacks caused 130,000
dismissals in the air companies, 3,000, 000 melancholic people and 180,000,000
fearful people who attack before asking, who kill before the crime is committed,
put into jail and torture guiding themselves by their opinion and not by proofs.
if you don't believe what I write to you, let's read a phrase reframed by the
journalist in an Ignacio Ramonet's piece of writing (taking for myself the right
of saying that in today's El País the journalists get up angry with the United
States and the Spanish president, I don't understand why):
In the name of its absolute superiority, the United States has ceased to respect
human rights and international treaties. In the meantime, the Professor of
Psychiatry, Dr. Rojas Marcos, in New York, says smiling, as is his habit,
"A second attack would be the emotional coupe the grâce for
the United States" and further on he says to us "More and more people are starting to rebel against the
authoritarianism that cuts off liberties".
this time without inverted commas, a special messenger of Palermo's Mafia says
to us THE SUMMIT OF RELIGIONS EXPRESSES THE FEAR BEFORE THE MENACING ATTITUDE OF
IS IMPACTING US, CONSIDERING THE THINGS THAT ARE SAID AROUND THERE, IS THAT NO
ONE NOTIFIES OUR PRESIDENT, JOSÉ MARÍA AZNAR.
Gaddafi confesses: "Before the USA breaks my ass, I will abandon my 33
years as a revolutionary".
six years, 4,000 immigrants killed trying to reach Spanish soil, clearly
speak that there is something that we didn't understand in spite of the
Basque Nationalistic Party and the IU accused judge Garzón of
"damaging" the right to express themselves and they are right in a
way. The fact that eight officials of his prosecution office are leaving today
by their own will to undertake more fair positions, seems to show that they are
is pure artifice. If they allow me to speak I wouldn't care if the rest is
enter old age with firm step. Ready to substitute, as much as possible,
everything which doesn't work or malfunctions.
it's organs or people or money or loves or verses. Everything that doesn't work
must be substituted to the utmost possibility.
way, there will also be old age, there will be death; but there won't be
stupidity, there won't be poverty.
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